10 No. 382, 4.9.2011 …… 如是说 Thus Spake… 教育学院院长梁湘明教授 Prof. Leung Seung-ming, Dean of Education 下期预告 Coming 中大校董都是独当一面的能人，校董会主席如何协调各方 意见？ 校董会虽是大学最高的管治机构，但大学的灵魂应是校长。校长 可启发教职员和学生在其领域追求卓越。校董会的职责是：一、 联同大学管理阶层、校内同事制订校务发展的政策和方针；二、 从不同角度、不同社会层面考虑大学政策；三、作为桥梁，引导大 学面向社会；四、协助大学争取外界支持，例如发动捐赠。校董 会的意见一直都很一致，我们很尊重校长和管理层，他们所提的 意见都很合理，也规划得很周全。 中大当前的发展急务是什么？ 中大在2006年制订了十年策略发展计划，我们曾做中期检讨，各 计划均依循所定的方向迈进。当前重点的发展：一是私营教学医 院，二是深圳分校，三是建立新书院，还有便是准备五十周年金 禧。学术研究有突破，学生在社会上有贡献，是我们要追求的。 你年轻时对中国事务很关心，可有受什么思想的影响? 十多岁的我已看很多书，读到赞美中国建设的文章，会深感自 豪。进入中大，受到新亚书院忧国忧民的精神所感染，对中国、 对共产主义都很有兴趣了解。我觉得这些人很伟大，推翻封建 制度，抵抗日本侵略，在恶劣的生活条件底下斗争，甚至献出性 命，只为了追求一个没有贪污腐败、没有欺压的社会。当时也曾 尝试看马克思主义，但只得皮毛，缺乏深究。只懂得抓着一点打 动自己的片言只字，便以为已经找到要追随的真理，很满足了，再 没探究下去。真是浅薄啊！我觉得年轻人对社会公义也不向往、 无所执着的话，教育是失败的。当然，执着的时候是否追随社会 行为的基础标准，抑或任意胡来，那是另一回事。 在念大学的火红年代，你曾参与不少社会运动，这份经历 会否令你对现在参与社运的年轻人多了体谅？ 会。年轻人只道这个世界有不公义，便要斗争。这类冲击是人生 宝贵的一课。找到自己的信念，或曾经追寻过你的信念，是最有 福的。我是无悔的，不过，作为过来人，我仍想指出无论从事任 何运动，无须用侮辱对方作为表达意见或争取的手段，也无须 妨碍他人的权利。必须多点聆听你的「敌人」，细心观察或从别 人的角度去审视问题，尊重对方。侮辱性的言语或行动会适得其 反，令本来同情你的因而不接受你的意见。 现代教育崇尚培训领导才能，强调卓越，你同意吗？ 培养领袖确有需要，但社会不需要人人当银行大班、财政司或局 长。我当恒生商学院校监的时候，来报名的都成绩一般。我特别 想挽救一些会考成绩不理想的同学，我跟办学人说：我们不需要 制造最多的A，学生的入学成绩管它是C是D，离校时有一级半等 的进步，已是有所增值。做领袖也好，作平凡人也好，生活开心， 做个堂堂正正的人，有能力生活，那便足够。人应该忠于自己，觉 得应该怎样去生活，只要不成为社会的害虫，就已经很好了。 年轻人毕业后进入社会该如何自处? 总的来讲要追求专业发展和人生知识的均衡。追寻知识不等同 上网。上网只给你提供「阔」，「深」则要靠自己追寻。大学生想 服务社会，必先做好根本。成绩不好影响日后发展的选择，学识 是终身受用的资产。如果不懂以礼以诚待人、包容讲理，更有碍 立足社会。 开始筹划退休了吗？哪儿是理想的退休地？ 虽已从滙丰退下来大半，坦白说是退而不休。中大的事务便挺够 忙的，但总算有机会学一些以前没有时间学的东西，例如用iPad 放大字体看书，用Youtube听五十年代的旧歌，用电邮。在这些 科技上我还是恐龙阶段，学起来是乐趣也是痛苦。我希望继续 和社会保持接触，为自己、也为社会做点事。中大有需要的话，我 会多放一点时间下去。我现在只追求安静的生活，开开心心，别 把自己弄得太忙，也别太闲。香港是我的当然居留地，朋友和根 都在这儿，社会发生的事情我有反应。在外国诸事与我无关，那 不是我想要的生活。 Every member of the Chinese University Council is a considerable personage with his or her unique character. How does the chairman coordinate the opinions of such a diverse group? While the Council is the highest governing body of the University, the soul of the University really resides in the Vice- Chancellor, who can inspire both staff members and students to pursue excellence in their respective fields. The functions of the Council are, first, to determine the direction and objectives for university development in collaboration with the senior management and other colleagues. Second, to consider University policies from different angles and at various social planes. Third, to serve as an interface between the University and society. Fourth, to assist the University in garnering support from outside. The Council has always been unified in its views and decisions, and we have great respect for the Vice-Chancellor and the management: their suggestions have always been reasonable and their planning comprehensive. What do you see as the most pressing tasks of the Chinese University? In 2006, the University formulated a strategic plan for the next 10 years, and there was also an interim review which showed that all the projects were proceeding as planned. As for the moment, the developmental priorities are the private teaching hospital, the development of the Shenzhen campus, the construction of the new Colleges, and to these I may add the preparation for the University’s 50th anniversary celebrations. We are after breakthroughs in academic research, and our graduates making contribution to society. In your youth, you were a keen observer of what happened in mainland China. Were you influenced by some particular thoughts or philosophies? As a teenager I was an avid reader. I felt proud when reading articles in praise of progress in the construction of New China. At CUHK, I was much affected by the deep concern for the nation and the people as exemplified in the spirit of New Asia College. An intense interest to know more about China, and Communism thus began. I found that they were really great historical figures who overthrew a feudalistic, dynastic government, fought against Japanese aggression, and carried on their struggles under extremely harsh conditions, some to the point of giving up their lives. And all these efforts and sacrifices for a society that would be free from oppression, corruption and depravity. At that time I also made an attempt to read about Marxism, but ended up with not much insight. I just held on to words and phrases that truly moved myself, and then thought that I had found the truth worthy of a lifetime’s following. How naïve when one looks back! We can assume that education is a failure when social justice no longer fascinates our young people, and when they find no value or belief that they are willing to adamantly defend. Of course, while vehemently defending one’s belief, one has to make a distinction between whether the action involved is compatible with the basic standards of social behaviour, or simply a wilful and reckless act. As a university student, you took part in some of the social movements and campaigns at the time. Would your own experience make you more tolerant of young people involved in social activism nowadays? Yes, it would. Young people righteously put up a fight when they see injustice. The impact of such experience, however, makes for a very precious lesson in one’s life. One who can find his or her true conviction, or has been engaged in the pursuit of such a conviction, is genuinely blessed. I do not regret what I did in my youth but, as one who has gone through it, I would like to suggest that, whatever activity one may be engaged in, one should not resort to insulting the 全文见 www.iso.cuhk.edu.hk/chinese/newsletter/article.aspx/382/Thus_Spake/ The full version of this article is avilable at www.iso.cuhk.edu.hk/english/newsletter/article.aspx/382/Thus_Spake/ 校董会主席郑海泉博士 Dr. Vincent H.C. Cheng, Council Chairman 郭庆辉摄 Photograph by Nick Kwok opponents. It is also most unnecessary for one to impede one’s opponents from exercising their rights. Listen more to your adversaries, observe them carefully, or examine the issues at hand from the other side. Respect must be paid to those we are against. Abusive language and actions would only turn your sympathizers away. Modern education extols leadership skills and emphasizes excellence. Do you agree? It is essential that we nurture leaders, but our community has no need for everyone to be a banking mogul, a Financial Secretary or a Bureau Secretary. When I was the supervisor of the Hang Seng School of Commerce, applicants for places there all had rather ordinary grades. I wanted to help those who did not fare so well in the school certificate examination. Thus I said to the school management: ‘We don’t really need to produce the biggest number of A grades at Advanced Level, and for those seeking admission here, it is already value added if they leave with slightly better grades.’ Whether one lives as a leader or an ordinary person, it would suffice if he can live happily, have sufficient means to maintain himself, and lead his life in an upright manner. An individual must be true to himself or herself, and is entitled to lead a life in his or her chosen way. All would be well as long as such a life does no harm to society. What is your advice to young graduates who are entering the working world for the first time? On the whole, they should seek a balance between professional development and knowledge of life. There is a difference between going online and pursuing knowledge: the internet enables you to broaden your scope, but it takes nothing less than your own efforts to attain depth. University graduates who want to be useful to society should first build up a sound foundation: unfavourable academic results will affect your choice in future career development; learning is a lifelong asset. One’s opportunities are very limited indeed if one does not learn to be well-mannered, tolerant of others’ opinions, and rational in discourse. Have you started planning your retirement? Where would be your ideal place for retirement? While I have relinquished most of my responsibilities at HSBC, there are sufficient responsibilities to keep me busy at CUHK alone. But I have also found time to learn new things and pick up activities that I did not have time for before, such as reading with an iPad in enlarged font, listening to the music of the 50’s on Youtube, and using e-mail more extensively. I am in the Jurassic Age when it comes to office technology, and experiencing the agony and the ecstasy of trying to learn it bit by bit. I wish to stay in touch with society, and do something for both the community and myself. If necessary, I will also spare more time for work at CUHK. At this point I am after a peaceful and quiet life, a life lived happily, without being over- engaged or excessively idle. Hong Kong is my place of residence as a matter of course. My roots are here, and so are my friends, and I feel for society here. If I live in a foreign country nothing that happens will be my concern, and that is not the sort of life I cherish.