Newsletter No. 458

8 458 • 19.5.2015 本刊由香港中文大学资讯处出版,每月出版两期。截稿日期及稿例载于 www.iso.cuhk.edu.hk/chinese/newsletter/ 。 The CUHK Newsletter is published by the Information Services Office, CUHK, on a fortnightly basis. Submission guidelines and deadlines can be found at www.iso.cuhk.edu.hk/english/newsletter/ . 观看录像,请扫描QR码或浏览以下网址: To watch the video, please scan the QR code or visit: www.iso.cuhk.edu.hk/video/?nsl458-karime-martin 口谈实录 Viva Voce ’ 景秀 文化及宗教研究系博士生 Karine Martin PhD Student, Department of Cultural and Religious Studies 世界众多宗教中,为何信奉道教? 我喜欢道教是因为它是性命双修的宗教,同时关注身和心这两个 人生的重要层面。这是它与其他宗教不同之处,其他宗教有些关 心身体,另一些则专注心灵。道教是非常古老的传统,经典卷帙浩 繁。如要学道,就会接触大量材料。道教也是生气蓬勃的传统,有 大师能引领你入门,这是我来中国的原因。道教源于中国,这里有 许多我可以追随的大师。 道姑是做什么的?和其他宗教的修女或比丘尼有何分别? 道姑持守的清规戒律和其他奉行隐修制度的宗教大同小异。道姑 须守五戒,即戒杀,戒盗,戒淫,戒妄语,戒酒。我们还有所谓三 皈,即皈依道,皈依经,皈依师,因为道是万物的本源,师引领我们 修道,经则令你更了解自己、世界和大自然。 你有多少位师父?他们教了你什么? 我的第一位师父是 黄世真 ,他收我为全真龙门派传人,并赐我 「景秀」这个道号。「景」是龙门法派诗第三十二个字。创派祖师在 创派时写了这首诗,每辈传人顺序选用一字。我这辈用第三十二个 字。师父选了「秀」为我道号的第二个字。他教导我在道观生活的 规章戒律,以及如何适应这种生活方式。我在武汉追随第二位师父 任宗权 ,学习道教科仪和阅读经典。我的第三位师父是云南巍宝山 的 刘圆通 ,他教我打坐练气,令我保持健康。 隐修学道令你的人生有何改变? 外在而言,我的人生完全改变了;内在而言,我更为从容自在。这 并非说我从前不快乐,而是我对人生有了更透彻的了悟,令我内心 更为平静。我们感到不快乐,通常是因为不了解自己、其他人和世 界如何运作,但一旦你把道教无争的道义应用出来,人生处世就会 更悠然自适。 最大的牺牲是什么? 我不觉得有何牺牲,因为我所做的一切,都是我想要做的。就算不 是我想做的,也是为了获得重要的领悟而必须做的。 入道可以分不同程度。你可以偶尔上上道观,读读道教经典,看看 有关道教哲学的书籍。你也可以追随师傅学道,并在家打坐,或者 更常读经,令道教成为人生中更重要的部分。或者你可以把人生 全部专注于修道。你想要达到什么程度都可以,没有人会加以论 断,因为只要这是你心意所属,那就最适合于你。对于那些没有我 那么投入修道的人,我不会觉得自己比他们更高等。我们应简朴随 意,率性自然,随心之所适。 你受过的神经科学训练与你的宗教观如何互相影响? 我学习神经科学和修道是出于相同目的,只是途径不一样。我学习 神经科学,是为了更了解自己和世界,而我现在修道,也是为了这 目标。神经科学的目标是了解人脑,以制造药物治病。道教则是为 了自我疗愈,并达至能从容面对世间万物的境界。 你在中大修读什么?为什么会来? 我在中大师从 黎志添 教授研究当代隐修道教,这是我的博士研 究。我可以利用我过去十年在中国大陆道观生活的经验。我也觉 得关于道教世界的研究很少,很少人知道它是宗教,知道它可以是 一种隐修宗教的人就更少了。 我希望见到道教典籍翻译为其他语文。现存的道书有一千六百多 种,但有翻译的只有0.5%。你看看世上所有大宗教,只有道教没有 真正传播到中国或华人社会以外的世界。 What moved you into Taoism among religions? Why Taoism? What I like about Taoism is that it focuses on two important aspects of life—the body and the mind. This distinguishes it from other religions where some might focus on the body, while others might focus more on the mind. Taoism is a very ancient tradition with a wide range of scriptures. This means if you study Taoism, you’ll have access to a wide range of material. Taoism is also a living tradition. There are masters who can guide you into the religion. That was why I came to China. Taoism originated in China and there are still many great masters in China whom I could learn from. What exactly is a Taoist nun? In what ways do Taoist nuns live differently from other nuns? A Taoist nun is subject to rules and regulations similar to those of other religions that embrace monasticism. Taoist nuns take five vows—not to kill, steal, lie, have sexual activities, drink alcohol. We also follow the three worships. We worship the Tao as the source of everything; worship the master because he’s the one guiding us towards the Tao; the scriptures because they enable us to better understand ourselves, the world and nature. more important part of life by taking a master and practicing meditation at home, or reading the scriptures more regularly. Or you can devote your life entirely to the pursuit. And nobody would ever judge you for the level you decide to take, because if it’s the result of your will, it’s just right for you. I don’t consider myself at a higher level than those without my level of commitment. Keep things simple, keep things spontaneous, and follow what your heart tells you. How has your training as a neuroscientist shaped your view of religion and vice versa? My aims of studying neuroscience and studying Taoism are the same although the tools are different. I chose neuroscience to better understand myself and the world, and now, I’m studying Taoism to do the same. Neuroscience studies the brain in order to produce medicine to cure diseases. In Taoism, you want to cure yourself and transform into a state where you are at ease with everything. What are you studying at CUHK? Why? I’m studying contemporary monastic Taosim with Prof. Lai Chi-tim as part of my PhD research at CUHK. This way I can use my experience living in temples in mainland China of the last decade. I also feel there’s been very little research done in the world on Taoism. Very few people know that it’s a religion; even fewer know it can be a monastic religion. Something I’d like to see is the translation of Taoist texts into other languages. The Taoist canon contains some 1,600 texts but only 0.5% of these have been translated. When you look at all the big religions in the world, only Taoism hasn’t really extended its reach outside China or the Chinese communities. How many masters have you had and what did they teach you? My first master Huang Shizhen gave me my lineage and name Jingxiu. ‘Jing’ is the 32nd character of the Longmen lineage poem. The founder created the poem when he founded the lineage and each generation of disciples would choose a character in order. Mine is the 32nd character. My master picked the second character ‘Xiu’ for me. He taught me the rules and regulations of living in a temple, and how to adapt to this way of life. I followed a second master in Wuhan, Ren Zongquan from whom I learn how to practise the rituals and read the scriptures. A third master Liu Yuantong in the sacred Mount Weibao in Yunnan showed me how to practise meditation and circulate the qi in my body so that I’m always in good health. What changes have your monastic existence brought to your life? Externally my whole life has changed. Internally, I’m more relaxed. This is not to say I wasn’t happy before, but that I’ve reached a deeper understanding of life and so it makes me much more at peace. Very often we get upset because we don’t understand how we, others and the world work. But once you apply the practice of Taoism which is about non-contention, you go through life in a much more leisurely way. What has been the greatest sacrifice? I don’t feel there’s been any sacrifice because everything I’ve done was what I wanted to do. If it wasn’t what I wanted to do, it was what was necessary for me to achieve something important. You can enter Taoism at different levels. You can go to the temple and read the scriptures and about Taoist philosophy from time to time. You can choose to make it a Photo by ISO staff

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